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From: (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Lager, Kitchen Aid, Wyeast, Plastic,
Date: 1992-03-03 03:02:00 GMT

To: Homebrew Digest
Fm: Jack Schmidling

I would like to hear from anyone who can describe the difference between a
lager and an ale, in terms of the taste.

I am thinking in terms of everything else being equal, just what are the
effects of cold, long-term lagering on the taste of a beer.

If one made a batch of beer and lagered half in cold and used ale yeast at
ale temperatures on the other half, what would one expect to taste that makes
it all worth while?

Breweries spend zillions to lager so I presume there must be a reason but as
most of what they make, isn't worthy of the name beer, I can't help but
wonder why they bother.

As I keep looking for ways of improving my beer, I don't want to overlook
anything but this just seems like lunacy, (sort of like using liquid yeast).

>From: Brian Batke <>

>I seem to remember someone asking about the Kitchen Aid grain
mill (that fits on the PTO of your Kitchen Aid mixer) a while back,
but I don't remember seeing any response.

>So, has anyone tried it? If so, how well does it work? At $124,
it's pretty expensive.

I have one and tried it and it is utterly useless. As a matter of fact, I
permanently destroyed one part of the gear drive and can no longer use the
grinder attachment. It is one of the things that drove me to build the

>From: "John Cotterill" <>

>Every day I give the relief valve a pull and get about a 3 second blast of
CO2. The gravity, however does not seem to be changing. The beer tastes OK.
Why is it not fermenting out?

Standby! I had a similar problem with a batch that fermented like new beer
for several months. A vile taste eventually caught up with the bubbles.

I suspect you have unwitingly exploded the myth of "Wyeast purity". Sounds
like they cheated on the old family recipe and slipped you a bit of Red Star.

>From: (chris campanelli)

>It is my belief that the more uses you devise for a tool or gadget,
the better you spent your money.

> Now lets look at portable propanes burners and LP propane tanks.
Besides brewing, I use my setup for.......

That's a tough act to follow but I obviously did not have you in mind. I was
simply trying to save others the expense of investing in a propane setup if
they have a gas line handy.

> Now granted, your setup does sound very inexpensive. If I were the
tinkerer type, I would probably build one like yours. But I'm not so I
won't. Do you have other uses for your "little fire-brick house"? Do
you lug your bricks out back and run a gas hose? How much time does this
take? Do you lug your bricks to the park and follow with a gas line?

None of the above but I do use it as a melting furnace to make all the
castings used in the MALTMILL.

> Is there going to be another video on this?

You haven't been paying attention. It most certainly will be a segment in my
new video on all grain brewing... the EASYMASH way.

>I hope this sheds alittle light. If you have any problems
understanding any of this, I would be more than glad to educate you at
next weeks meeting at the Goose.

Better yet, I will bring some of my latest brew and you can then join the
millions who recognize ARF GENERIC as the "WORLD'S GREATEST BEER".

>From: (N E N Strangelove)

>Is there any problems associated with using the plastic 1 and 2 litre
plastic pop bottles for bottling beer?

There are no mechanical problems but there have been allegations that
something in them is soluble in alcohol and a rebuttal that said, not so.

The only problem I have had with them is that they retain the smell of what
ever was in it last and what ever goes in next taste like the last.

This is easily remedied by soaking in bleach between uses.

I always fill a few plastic bottles when bottling a batch to monitor the

I also fill them from the keg to bring to parties and brew club meetings so
that I can share the "WORLD'S GREATEST BEER" with the world.

> Also, I would like to hear of other bottling options - such as the
use of champaign bottles.

Champaign bottles are ideal for beer for two.

You can use plastic champaign corks or crown caps on most of them.


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